The I'm Not Dumb But Podcast
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The I'm Not Dumb But Podcast
How do you become a voice actor?
Take a journey behind the microphone with veteran voice actor Mike Payne as he reveals the surprising, hilarious, and sometimes bizarre path of his nearly 40-year career in voice acting and radio broadcasting. From his audacious beginnings as a 17-year-old to interviewing rock legends like Ozzy Osbourne, Mike's story demolishes every assumption about breaking into the voice acting industry.
According to Mike, it's not about having the perfect radio announcer voice or expensive training programs – it's about confidence, authenticity, and understanding the acting fundamentals behind every read. With refreshing candor, he shares how modern voice actors can work globally from home studios, the surprisingly simple vocal warm-up technique he swears by and why aspiring talent should be wary of expensive "voice acting schools."
Whether you're curious about the voice acting industry, considering it as a side hustle, or simply fascinated by the human voice, this episode offers an entertaining and informative glimpse into a world most people never see. Ready to step into the booth? Grab your cracker and water – Mike Payne is about to show you how it's done.
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Welcome everyone to the I'm Not Dumb but Podcast. I'm your host for today, victor, joined always by Rob. Hello, chris Yup and Cesar, how y'all doing Whoa? That's my line. That's my line, actually, introduce me again. And Cesar Yup, so let me hear your best voiceover. Slash commercial voice.
Rob:welcome to mike's auto repair shop no, that was terrible, that was bad okay, interesting, interesting.
Victor:I mean, I'm not going to mike's with that definitely not now, that guy'll screw you left he's on a watch list here we go in a world full of erectile dysfunction. Cialis, that's all I got oh, okay, all right, I think you went two different directions there. It was pretty good. Chris, what do you got?
Chris:oh, man, just do it in korean chris is buffering. I'm let me see it. There's um yo I have nothing. I don't know, I can't. I can't do this, do a movie preview.
Rob:I can't get that confidence. 75 is confidence.
Victor:It's amateur shit, it's a it's yeah, all right, guys, that was something, so you guys need some work. I don't think any commercial is going to be calling you anytime soon, but you're in luck. Our guest today has had a nearly 40-year career voicing over 50 audiobook explainer videos, radio and TV ads, movie trailers, documentaries Also spending time as an on-air radio personality for Z-Rock in Dallas, where he hosted a weekly show called Headbangers Heaven. Our guest today is Mike Payne, and he's going to help us answer the question I'm not dumb, but how do you become a voice actor?
Cesar:Welcome to the I'm Not Dumb but podcast, where we won't claim to have the answers to life's deepest questions but we'll give you an exciting journey into the realms of knowledge you never knew you'd be Might be mainstream, but not common knowledge, From artificial intelligence to the show Mike.
Victor:Thank you, victor. Good to be here. Let's just get into it. Let's start at the beginning. Sure, when did you figure out people wanted to listen to your voice?
Mike Paine:out. People wanted to listen to your voice. I was a 17-year-old kid but when I was 9, 8, 9, 10 years old, my dad, for Christmas, bought my brother and I one of those little mini tape recorders and you hit the old play and record thing and we just did silly voices and mimicked stuff on TV and it was really just kid stuff. And at 17, I was in college. College and I thought you know, maybe I could do something with this, I don't know. So, naive 17-year-old, I started picking up the phone and cold calling video production companies and cable TV places. And one guy by the name of Morris Rose picked me up on just saying, hey, kid, come over and I'll teach you some stuff and we'll do some commercials. Pick me up on just saying, hey, kid, come over and I'll teach you some stuff and we'll do some commercials. And my first gigs were paid gigs and I was doing commercials for a cable company like a restaurant, a print, a copier place, stuff like that.
Victor:What was your, your speed, like how did you become that I'm a?
Mike Paine:hell of a salesman. Well, it was just, I literally went, I picked up the old, the old school phone book and I went to v and video production companies and then went to c and went cable television companies and just said hey, I'm mike. Uh, do you need any voice work or something stupid like that? Because I was 17, I didn't yeah yeah or anything.
Mike Paine:I was like yeah how do you get your? Do you have, uh, in-house voice actors? And I I just heard lingo from I don't know where I got it from. I just guessed. And sure enough, people were starting to pick up. And after that I went to the local PBS station in Dallas, texas the TV station and did their fundraising drive. I did the voice for their trips to Hawaii and like the product descriptions for all the stuff they were putting up for bids. And after that I auditioned for other stuff. I auditioned for the Voice of God, for the Zola Levitt Show. I was way too young for that, so at 17,.
Rob:I am the voice of God.
Victor:It's a younger God, it's a younger.
Rob:God, yeah, it's God in his teens. Yeah, youthful God's origin story yeah, old Testament, god and his teens yeah, youthful it's.
Mike Paine:Old.
Victor:Testament God. Yeah, Old Testament God.
Mike Paine:It's kind of like the Young Sheldon thing, but didn't quite work out that way. So, yeah, there's that and I tried out for a few other things. And then I also I was a horrible guitar player. So I had bought a guitar, tried to play, couldn't play for anything.
Mike Paine:And I listened to this radio station that I heard in Chicago and it was also in Dallas. It's a hard rock, heavy metal kind of radio station, which was actually network, as I found out later. And the overnight guy said, yeah, I'll buy your guitar, why not, I'll try and play. And it's like all right. So I drove over there and said this would be really cool to work here. Do you know anybody that's hiring around here? And totally naive, not knowing a thing about radio or anything, broadcasting nothing, Just hey, anybody hiring? Like like they're going to hire somebody that just says, hey, I want a job. And the thing about it is it actually happened because he said, yeah, the guy down the hall at the top 40 format is hiring for a producer, Try out for that, why not? And I'm like all right.
Mike Paine:I had no idea what that meant. So I talked to the guy and I said, oh, you know what? I'll work for free for a week. Just hire me. I'm the guy. He's like what do you mean? You're the guy. I got all these applicants, I got all these resumes. I'm like I'm the guy. Just teach me what you want to teach-to-reel machine was. I didn't know what a mic tech, I didn't know anything. I just know there's a microphone and there's a studio and there's songs and you play them. That's all. I knew Nothing. Wow, and he hired me and I was producing a morning show for a top 40 network that had like 60 something affiliates within a week.
Chris:And it was not.
Mike Paine:Picking songs and you know taking calls and how the heck did. How is this happening?
Victor:Did you ever feel at like any point like you shouldn't be here?
Rob:Like it was just, or you just had like an imposter syndrome, like someone's going to catch on. No, I never had that.
Mike Paine:It was just. It was just one of those things where I felt like I'll just roll with this, I'm still going to catch on. No, I never had that. It was just one of those things where I felt like I'll just roll with this. I'm still going to school, why not? It's something cool to do and I'm getting paid for it, kind of attitude. And I didn't think it would be. 38-something years later, I'm still doing this stuff. But here I am.
Mike Paine:But anyway, the guy that sold me the guitar, he became program director of the format down the hall for the hard rock and heavy metal thing and he's like yeah, why don't you work part-time? Never been on the air before other than doing bits for the morning guy. So I listened to stuff and I listened to people on the air and they threw me on a show on a national network, being 18 years old or 19 actually 19 years old, no experience, yeah. And he's like you know the music well, you know, I, I didn't really even even have training. They just kind of threw me on the air. Wow.
Victor:You were live, like broadcasting. Oh live, this is all live, this is another state.
Mike Paine:Totally live. That's wild.
Rob:The first time you got on was there just like dead air, or you just jumped right in?
Mike Paine:I just jumped right in and did it. I thought, oh, I still got all the tapes from the early days, the earliest days. I got a lot of tape. But well, now it's digital, but you know tape.
Victor:I'm so old, oh my God. But.
Mike Paine:I've heard, I've read about these.
Victor:Yeah, yeah, it's a square, yeah, and there's two circles in the middle and there's the brown stuff
Chris:on the bottom.
Mike Paine:Yeah, the first, like I think the second month, not barely the second month in. I was filling in because they were taping some Ozzy Osbourne interviews down the hall, pre-recorded. They're going to have five of the whole week's worth of Ozzy doing whatever he was going to do. I was like, oh cool, ozzy's in the building, maybe I'll get an autograph later. I did, which is fun, yeah, nice. But all of a sudden he walks into the studio completely unannounced. They're like, well, he's here, he's live, might as well, just do something, live to promote this stuff and have fun with whoever's on the air. Again, I had barely been on the air two months, 19 years old and in walks, ozzy, you know just, hey, how you doing. You know one of those? Yeah, ozzy.
Chris:Yeah.
Cesar:I know the later. Ozzy, yeah, I know the later.
Mike Paine:Ozzy, yeah, yeah. And and it was one of those things where the the all these record execs and and network execs were peering through this little porthole window in the studio and and, believe it or not, I didn't have any nerves Cause I I earlier in the day I heard a horrid interview from a local DJ. He was awful, yeah, and he just I'm just going to say he sucked and I thought I could do it better than that. And I got my chance and I thought you know what? This is my chance, I'm going to do this and, with all these people looking in the little portal window, I'm going to nail this thing. And I did it. It was great.
Mike Paine:And the president of the network's like who's this 19 year old kid that's doing? Who is he? He's producing a morning show there and what is going on. And he talked to the my, my buddy, who was the program director. He's like make this guy full-time, let's find a spot for him. And then I got a spot and it took. It really took off from there and I had my own full-time show and then I was setting up promotions and interviewing all kinds of people and doing live broadcasts and jumping on stage and introducing people and that's where the radio thing took off and still doing voice work through the network and other stuff.
Rob:So, going back to that interview, there was no prep. No, because it's the thing that you posted online, right? Yeah, it seemed like you just had it ready, yeah.
Mike Paine:Yeah, absolutely. There was zero. There wasn't even a warning, it was just Ozzy just walked in.
Victor:And you weren't like nervous at all, no, I was.
Mike Paine:I kind of knew in my own head what to prepare for. It was one of those things where it was like I heard the interview go so badly on the you know the traditional rock station in town and I thought I could do better than that. We just talked about being in the movies and weird stuff like that, just whatever. How does a photo shoot work and introducing songs and yelling a lot and just goofy stuff. Towards the end of the year I got a Christmas card from Ozzy and Sharon.
Victor:No way, I still got it no way.
Chris:That's awesome.
Victor:Have you ever been starstruck?
Mike Paine:I don't know, I mean me. No, I guess Okay.
Victor:I've only been starstruck once, really. Yeah, I had met James Gandolfini. Oh okay and I was a huge like Sopranos was my life and I could not say anything to him Like I, literally, I was just like hi, I, literally I was just like hi.
Mike Paine:It's different kind of just approaching someone cold like that than people walking into the studio or just going to a show where you know you got to, even in a situation where they used to have this record convention called the Concrete Foundations Forum, which is a weird name for a hard rock heavy metal convention, but they had it in L in la every year for a few years and going out there, uh, in the radio days and just people, famous people were walking past all the time, I mean just major names and like lemmy from motorhead would walk by and he'd just sit down and just start talking and it was just like you know, hey, how's it going? We talk about girls walking by and jimmy hendrix and what, what's favorite, what his favorite drink is, and just random stuff. It wasn't anything about how did the album sound and how's that new record come. It almost was never like that, because everybody does that and I figured you know what I'm going to do, something that nobody else does. I'm just going to talk to people.
Mike Paine:It was a lot of these people. They didn't have anything to do. I mean, some of them didn't even have a ride from the airport. I had to go pick them up. So you know, the record label dropped the ball. It was like the band sepultura. They were a couple of members, they they were at the airport and they're like mike, we don't have a ride, nobody's here, what do we do?
Chris:I'm like, I'm kind of so we went at mexican food and went out their hotel room and and just talked about music it was.
Mike Paine:And, and they faxed me later, uh, when they got to New York and said, yeah, hey, it was great having Mexican food with you and hanging out, cool, that's awesome, it's funny. And now, looking back on it, you go how does this, did this happen? It's like a. It's like a movie, set constantly but in real life and it wasn't even like it didn't still doesn't seem real, it's. It's surreal. I mean, how did all this stuff happen? And even the stuff I missed is a good story.
Mike Paine:All of a sudden, I was exhausted. I worked like till two o'clock in the morning, then production and other stuff, probably like three or four in the morning. So by like nine or 10am I'm out, I'm, I'm gone, I'm asleep, yeah, and my answering machine goes off and I'm out, I'm gone, I'm asleep and my answering machine goes off and I'm like, yeah, whatever. And I hear this weird voice and I'm like what, who's? Please don't play pranks on me, I'm so tired. One guy, steve, that worked at the network interviewed David Lee Roth and he had Dave call my answering machine and go hey, mike, what's going on?
Mike Paine:It's David Lee Roth and he did this whole Daveave thing and he's like sorry you couldn't be here, maybe go hang out later. Hey, all right, the whole dave thing did the whole dave thing dead on. And I thought at first I thought it was a joke and then I found out later on that he actually interviewed dave and he's just like hey, can you?
Victor:can you prank this guy? Can you just give him a?
Mike Paine:call and to find out it was real, it was, it was going. I'm. Why did I sleep through that? Or another time Lita Ford was getting interviewed and she said to the host Dave, not that Dave, another Dave, where is this guy that likes to go shopping for cowboy boots? That would be a fun time and that would have been a fun story, but no, I slept through that. I mean a couple of bad ones that I slept through that I regret. Those were two of them.
Victor:Yeah, did they like try to like get you to go out, like hit the town with them?
Mike Paine:Yeah, sometimes I mean it wasn't like the wild movie thing where you're crashing cars and trashing hotel rooms and stuff. A lot of times we just hung out at like Denny's or something, you know, it wasn't that exotic. Yeah, that would be awesome. What would they order, I wonder you know what the limited late night menu moons over my hammy. I mean, what else is there at?
Victor:Denny's three in the morning. You know, when you did like the radio thing, did you feel that you needed to put a persona of like I need to change my voice in a certain way or I need to talk in a certain way?
Mike Paine:Oh yeah, well, their format was designed to be yelling and screaming over like sound effects and drop ins and stuff and zany cartoony not cartoony, but like really over the top, someone who would be unbearable as a real person. You know, if you, if you heard some of my stuff, uh, you look my stuff up on youtube and look up crazy mike pain z rock and you'll hear these interviews going oh my gosh, that guy's like way over the top. Even some of the bands are like whoa, that's a lot too early for me to do that. And and some of the record, people were like how do you do that? How do you turn it on and off?
Mike Paine:I thought, and I said it's just, it's part of the record. People were like how do you do that? How do you turn it on and off? And I said it's just part of the gig. You can't order a pizza like that going hey, I want a pizza with pepperoni and mustard. That doesn't work. And I even told them I'd be a totally awful person if I just yelled and screamed at everybody all the time.
Victor:Yeah, you have no voice.
Mike Paine:Even when I blew out my voice. There's one time I blew out my voice, bad, and this is stupid. I wouldn't try this at home kids and I still went on the air, didn't take any sick time off the home and the uh production director wanted to do a promo for a post live concert you know credits and stuff and he wanted me to be a like a mob type dude and he's like hey, yeah, the guy who was on the board was tim and, uh, joe was the guy that he held the mic at the at this concert.
Mike Paine:And then all of a sudden he gets a call going all right, we can't afford to hire new voice actors for this. And he's like no, that was mike, he's been sick. You haven't heard all week. He can barely talk I thought it was a new, some new voice actor they hired. You should have gotten a second paycheck out of that.
Victor:Yeah, seriously, no, that wasn't me, that was Ike, that wasn't Mike. Yeah, sorry.
Mike Paine:Before I got hired full time, I was three different people and I got three different paychecks. That's why the president of the company went wait a minute, you're three people. This isn't going to work. We can't pay you three times and send you three W, whatever forms back then.
Victor:Did you guys do like callers as?
Mike Paine:well, Like did you get like callers all the?
Victor:time it was people like vetting them, or it was like no, we are vetting Our vetting process.
Mike Paine:Back then was hey Z rock, don't swear, that's our vetting process. I'm sure that was effective.
Mike Paine:It was effective. Yeah, I rarely had people on live live, but we kind of it wasn't that severe and harsh back then. I'd have band members call up and just say, hey, mike, you want to talk? Oh okay, sure, why not? I got time. And this one guy would just start swearing and like, phil, we're on the air, you can't do that. We got to play nice and he's like, oh, okay, but you know you can't throw the F-bomb around on network radio and not have someone get upset about it. I did that, I, I draw. I said shit once in the very beginning and the program director called me up and he was laughing. He goes that's the funniest thing you've ever done. Don't ever do it again.
Rob:Got it. That's a great boss.
Mike Paine:Yeah, he's the one I sold the guitar to.
Rob:So from radio, what was the transition into voice acting? Was that just kind of seamless? Did you just find new avenues or did you make that decision or just kind of rolled into?
Mike Paine:it. They kind of all, up until 2021, went step by step and I was in both all the time anyway. So I I went from the network to various other stations and then I was a traffic reporter for like 11, 12 years. Not the kind in the helicopter, just the voice. Yeah, because you know me in a helicopter. Nah, not going to happen. Yeah, I'm not going to.
Chris:It's not when I think I'm. That's not me, never is going to be me.
Mike Paine:So yeah, putting makeup on me is not going to work, so yeah, and then just doing voice acting, I really decided about know you could talk to anybody anytime, anywhere around the world. That's when I really jumped back into it and thought you know what? I can really do this a lot more with worldwide clients, because I worked the other nine to five. I talked with people all over the world and I got to jump on the competition because I'm up, they're not, you know, most everybody here in the States are up at you know two, three in the morning and they'll say, and how to make sushi? And it's like, all right, yeah, I do it in a couple of minutes and send it out. And they're like, oh yeah, the client instantly approved, let's start it. And it's huge, oh great, let's do it.
Rob:Do you have to? Is it like those unionized or associated? You have to get into those things, or how?
Mike Paine:does that work? Voice acting I've done it on my own since the beginning of time when reel-to-reels were things. But yeah, I'm an indie person and could I be union, I suppose. But then it kind of limits everything. You can't do anything else, virtually anything else that I do. Everything I've done is on my own. I still do games. I still do audiobooks. I've done 56 audiobooks. Oh wow, chris has read three of them.
Cesar:I've done 56 audiobooks. Oh wow, Chris has read three of them.
Rob:He's a big audiobook guy. He's a big audiobook guy. Yeah, he doesn't talk, he just listens. Really that's okay though.
Mike Paine:Chris, you would look at my repertoire and go, okay, you've done everything from like horoscope stuff to strength training, sexy poetry to all over the map.
Victor:Have you done any Korean voice work? Maybe Chris has.
Mike Paine:That would be a fantasy of mine, that I'd be a polyglot and I could speak about 30 languages. I would be the richest man in the world.
Rob:You just got to like dub over those like Squid squid games movies.
Victor:You know like why?
Rob:why are their voices so wild every time you get like a dub, it's like the guy you're like, that guy doesn't even look like that they just pick random people.
Mike Paine:A lot of times they have in-house dubbing. Just think of the old school. We're talking old, old school, like the old speed racer cartoons. They had like three people in house that did all the voices. That's kind of like and like the old kung fu movies where they had like three people in house, it's like, okay, here's the one female voice, let's have her do all the kids and the female voices, and then the two other guys were all the same voices and they were australian on top of that, so it sounded kind of what sort of like research or practice have you done to try to like perfect your craft Voice?
Mike Paine:acting. I kind of just have always done it with a little training. I got back in 1987 and went from there, learned how to project my voice, learned how to emphasize certain things and how to read a script when there's no direction. I mean, I get that a lot, where I just go here, here's a script and I'm making a video and my client wants a voiceover. I have no idea what and I'll just pick up the piece of paper that I print out or look at it, analyze it for a couple seconds and do it. I don't even need to pre-read them. I could just rip them off and voice them instantly. I don't. I don't even prep a lot of times just because I didn't know that sounds. Oh, that's amateurish, it's not. I've been doing it so long and read so many scripts. I can see them coming reading the first sentence. I can see them and see how it's going to go and it's like all right, oh, it's like this. Okay, boom, let's do it.
Cesar:So let's say, for somebody that's like trying to get into the work, what would you recommend for them like first timers?
Mike Paine:For first timers, I would recommend going online and searching for voiceover practice scripts and there's like thousands and thousands of them out there. Just start doing those. And also listening to actual streaming television, whatever forum, whatever medium, online YouTube. Listening to actual commercials and actual explainer videos and things that you're interested in. Or, if you're interested in gaming, listening to some of the voices and how they do it and don't mimic them, just kind of see how, what their style is, okay. So if you've got, let's say something, that's how to you know how to connect your Bluetooth speaker.
Mike Paine:It would be a lot more simplistic and kind of run of the mill, but not boring, than it would be if you're like a drill instructor in a uh, you know, an rpg game or something. So totally different approach and just practice with it. I would say, start with there's fan dubs everywhere where you can. Just, you know there's people just playing around, it's for free and it's great experience on dubbing as well as just voice acting, and it's not silly voices, that's the the oh. Uh, if you do a simpsons voice Cause no one's ever done a Simpsons impression I mean that's not voice acting.
Victor:I, we don't want to see your up. No, no, no. Nobody wants to see that.
Mike Paine:The one time I was a traffic reporter and the station that carried it the people on the air couldn't care less about traffic, and neither could I, honestly. So I did, I, I did all their traffic reports as hank hill and it was just ridiculous, nice, nice, traffic's bad. Yeah, I can't do it anymore, but I I really I need that for my wage. And I studied and I actually studied hank hill and watched all the king of the hill episodes.
Mike Paine:I could, yeah, and and got his mannerisms down and it was like Ooh, you know the one, the one, one other guy I filled in for um Fred Winston. He's a well-known, legendary DJ, uh, in the Chicago area, and I filled in and did traffic for him and I'd be the Greek waiter and he just wanted to do this, this bit with the Greek waiter doing the traffic and just like, push this the traffic reporter out of the studio and wandered in going hi, traffic is uh, how do you say, bad no, no, too many cars, too many, so yeah and it's just stuff like that that you just come up with and it's fun.
Mike Paine:That's the radio side of things, the creative part. So many people get so focused on this. Oh my God, what am I going to? Just have fun with it? I mean, I still do that now. How?
Rob:do you project your voice? How do you like develop your voice? Because I've got like that nasally, you know, like young Ray Romano, Like it's. You know people read it. They're like yeah, right, Like it's people read it.
Mike Paine:They're like yeah right, we all have a nasally thing that's just called waking up in the morning. I mean seriously, or waking up from a nap or whatever it is it's like, or getting just trying to wake up. It's not so much that, and there's no such thing as a perfect. I mean I've got the whole old school announcer-y thing going for me, but other than that it's not like it used to be, where you had to sound like this to be on. You don't have to do that anymore.
Victor:Like a 1920s radio guy. Hey everybody.
Mike Paine:No, you don't have to sound like that anymore.
Mike Paine:That's amazing. Yeah, you just sound like you. And now, with the advent of AI, so many people say I want to hear real voices and they want to hear emotion, inflection and attitude, and that's something AI doesn't have. And we've all heard the really bad YouTube videos with AI in them and they're cringy and some that are passable sort of, but no emotion at all. It's just a cold dead read and nobody wants to hear that.
Mike Paine:So that's why I think that it's kind of cool that when you go in there and go, yeah, I can do better than that, and that's kind of it. When I coach people with voice acting, I say that I said can you do better than this? Oh, yeah, well, then do it, you can do it. So, rob, the answer to your question is yeah, go do it Seriously. I mean, it's not that overwhelming where you can't you get a microphone, get a setup, get some headphones and start going right away. It's not this. You got to train for 50 years and you know, go through the matrix and you know dodge Keanu Reeves and there's a labyrinth and you got to get the secret green crystal. It's not all of that. I mean, there's some people that will have you believe that it's not all that you know.
Victor:Can you share with us any like vocal warm-ups, if you have any?
Mike Paine:Yes, I actually teach this because a lot of people don't know how to warm up, believe it or not. No, what I do to warm up is the simplest thing. It's what all the survey companies do with food tasting. They take a bite of cracker and a drink of water between every food tasting. It cleans the palate, it gets rid of all of the mouth impurities and the mouth noise, which is a benefit, and it's actually the simplest thing.
Mike Paine:And yeah, you can do the tea with lemon or honey as you're talking more. But bite a cracker, drink a water and sit for a minute and then boom, you're ready to go and I mean, I've got my water sitting here. It's just a mug of water right now, I don't do anything that complicated and a piece of pizza and a cup of coffee before you go into the studio. Nothing dairy, nothing coffee, nothing that'll mess up your palate and make you all clicky and choppy. Nobody wants to hear it like you're chewing.
Chris:Chris, interesting.
Victor:Now they send you the stuff and you record it on your own and then just send it in as you complete it. Yeah, oh, okay, so you don't even go to the studio anymore.
Mike Paine:I haven't been to a studio in 100 years. I mean, yeah, I do everything remote. I work with companies all over the world and coach students all over the world. I had a student last week who wanted to know how to narrate his YouTube videos better, like we're just talking about and he said are you available now? And beauty of the internet, why I am? I am right here. How about five minutes Do you have? So we set up a zoom thing and in five minutes didn't know a thing about him and he just shared his information and I said okay, let me watch your video with you. And I pointed out things with them and said here's what you need to do and here's where you need to. You know you've got a good start. You already know what you're doing and kind of fine, tuned him and off, he's running, and now he's doing his YouTube channel. So there you go. I mean it's. It sounds simpler than it is. It was a lot more detailed, but that was kind of how it worked. He just he's an Australian.
Rob:He's like can I? I'm going to go with this one, or I'm going to use this, or you just tailor it to every job.
Mike Paine:Yeah, it depends on if I get no direction. I kind of have have to play creative mindset and what would this script sound like and what should it sound like? Usually those are the explaining something, a product, a service, uh, ABC company is the best company in the world and here's why One of those kind of things and other than that, like my own demos some people have like one or two demos of their voice. I have probably a hundred and a little over a hundred. I have niche reels everywhere from, like a pirate voice to a Santa voice. I have a, you know, a male enhancement voice I have. There's a separate male enhancement voice.
Victor:I have a male enhancement voice I have. There's a separate male enhancement voice, there is.
Mike Paine:There is, it's the late night infomercial voice that you see at about 4 am. Is that eugenics? If you need a blue pill, here's where to get yours for only 68 cents a yeech. The late night on Comedy Central, when you're watching that rerun of whatever for the 50th time and yeah, that commercial comes on, that's yeah, I've done some of those, not a lot, but a few of those.
Rob:How do you get like? You just practice like dialects like German, like you get those German ones or Jamaican, you get all the yeah, yeah.
Mike Paine:you just watch tons of videos and try to like say those words yeah, I do a ton of work with chinese companies and they don't give you pronunciations for the proper names and places. So I have a folder. I have a folder in a library full of pronunciations so I can refer to that. And there's websites out there where you can check out and just type in the name and watch the video. Or there's a website called Forvo F-O-R-V-O where you type in a word or a name or a place and it'll give you the pronunciation from people in those countries.
Mike Paine:So that helps me a ton and I'll come up with like uh, if some German company it's like well, whoa, whoa, and I hit the brakes in the script, going uh, I can't say that, what is that? So I look it up and go, oh, okay, and figure it out. And there's some accents that sound hacky and I can't do them and I can't pretend to do them, like if I tried a Jamaican accent, that'd be embarrassing. So yeah, and there's sometimes I get requests for things like can you do a? Uh, the voice of a Norwegian boy who's about seven years old? No, no, I can't.
Cesar:No way.
Victor:Eight years old, maybe seven. I draw the line.
Mike Paine:I did have to do a voiceover for for a commercial in the radio days for a circus and I had to be the voice of the five-year-old kid and it was so embarrassing I'm like I kept trying to tell him I can't listen to my voice. Do you think I can pull off a five-year-old kid's voice? And the line was I still have a line somewhere, it's like and I'm here to watch the big snake and that's about how it sounded, and they're like that was brilliant, it was.
Mike Paine:Are you sure? And here's this commercial playing all over the area. I want to see that big snake. So embarrassing yeah.
Victor:You got to put out the cigarette. I got to see this big snake and you know what?
Mike Paine:The client's happy? The client's happy, yeah.
Mike Paine:You like that I had one client say okay, I want you to voice this talking house real estate script, fine. And I get to the first line and it's like hi, I'm Stephanie Smith, Whoa, all right. So I can't do a female. And I contacted them and said, okay, maybe you sent the wrong script, or is this the right script, or should I change the name? And they're like no, we want you to say hi, I'm stephanie smith. In those words, okay, hi, I'm stephanie smith. And this house on one, two, three is just beautiful and they loved it.
Chris:Okay, I don't know if stephanie smith's gonna feel about it, but all right are any like particular gigs that you look for over the like one the other.
Mike Paine:Well, sure, yeah, I love to do games, I love to do apps, I love to do stuff. That's stuff that's fun and kind of challenging. I voiced the. I voiced a D-Day tour in Normandy, france, and that's very cool. That's very cool. Museum voice, the English-speaking voice of museums around the world. Just odd things like an aquarium, aquarium announcements for the dolphin show in China. You know, just, please take your seats. You know that kind of stuff. It's just quirky but weird, but cool. There's. I did an airport, airport announcements, in-flight announcements for a couple of Chinese airliners. So that would be weird if I ever got out there and heard myself do the announcements.
Victor:I was just about to ask you like have you ever just accidentally ran into your own voice?
Mike Paine:Yes, I did when I was doing a radio station in suburban Chicago. We were voice tracked and we recorded things ahead of time back then, and they still do now. But uh, that was kind of a new thing back then. So, uh, I recorded all my tracks for the weekend and then my wife and I went to the seven 11 and my show was on cause they had the station on and I'm talking to myself, and and then I said, yeah, I'll have a couple of uh Cokes and something and whatever we bought. And he's looking up at the speaker, looking at me, looking at the speaker looking at me, going, oh, that'll be $4.76. So it was weird. And then you hear the speakers that they get by the gas pumps because they have the radio station, and then we're listening to me talking our way out of the gas station.
Mike Paine:It was weird but different. I guess it was cool.
Rob:I mean kind of weird. I remember when we first did the podcast and then we would, you know, listen. I listened to the episodes. At first I couldn't listen to myself, oh yeah, but now, yeah, now I'm just like yeah, whatever, and it's just like a regular thing. Did you run into that? Or do more and more people run into that?
Mike Paine:Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of it is getting over listening to yourself. You know it's. Once you're comfortable with your own voice, then that's one of the biggest hurdles to overcome being a voice actor or radio personality or TV personality or anything like that. So, yeah, it's just a matter of being comfortable with who you are and going hey, you know what I can do this, so what you know? No big, Don't over-criticize and don't overthink it.
Cesar:Are there any like current voice actors, now that you're like oh man, he's good or she's good, or like? That you kind of listen Other than you. What kind of question is?
Mike Paine:that. No, besides me, a couple of good ones. One of them he's done tons of voice acting and he was my intern actually at Z Rock is Kyle Hebert. He's awesome. Kira Buckland is one of the best known voice actors out there. A couple other ones are. They're really good, but those two are great. So yeah, and me.
Rob:Yeah, I got to imagine it's like a small community of like you guys all know each other, Like you know, you hear a commercial and you're like oh, that's a good one, he did a good job.
Mike Paine:Yeah, like what is a good voice actor it's. It's a blessing and a curse to have a good ear, and now I've not only me but my wife has. We have such good ears with listening to hacky edits and terrible flubs and stuff. We just heard a weather, a weather forecast, this afternoon and she said the weather system today is going to be potent. So, oh God, did you say potent? How old are you? Don't say potent? And uh, there was a commercial here in Chicago that ran for a plumbing company, for HVAC plumbing company, for years, and it says, uh, uh, abc pluming roofing and HVAC, whatever it said pluming. And it ran for years and no one caught it Pluming instead of plumbing. Really, in the third biggest city in the country, pluming. And you let that. Nobody caught it. The client, the producer, the station nobody for like three years. It's still on YouTube somewhere. I still laugh at it.
Victor:Listen, plumers are high in the air. Yeah, plumers are killing it right now.
Rob:They can charge anything they want.
Mike Paine:Yeah, I'd like to get paid for plume.
Victor:So I don't know if it's something that I did or something that I looked up, but for like a while, instagram was like giving me ads for, like voiceover schools. Are those legit or are they worth it or like, in your opinion, the short answer is most of them, I'm just going to say, are not.
Mike Paine:It's the old. Remember the old modeling schools where they would have the things at the Holiday Inn and, oh well, you could be a model too. All you need to do is buy our photo service, which is like $900, and take pictures with our photographer and then, yeah, it's. Broadcasting schools are the same way. They still are out there. That'll say, oh, you could be on the air. No, you can't. I mean not with no training. You just jump on the. They give these people, they take their 25 grand and or more for some of these tuitions for broadcasting school and it's horrible. I mean with the voice acting thing. There are people out there that are legit. Probably.
Mike Paine:I don't really know anybody else that teaches stuff. I don't really honestly care that much. I do my own thing. I don't pattern myself after anybody else. I tell the truth. I shoot from the hip. I don't gatekeep. I don't have any secret information hidden behind a cave with seven keys to open the door. I'm honest, I'll tell you what like just now. I'll tell you guys, whatever you want to know. I mean seriously, I don't have any problem with that and I help people from all walks of life with my coaching.
Mike Paine:So I've had people from very beginning to just buying a new mic to people well, on their way that have done stuff before and they're just thinking I need to, mike, I need to know They'll have specific questions. Mike, I need to know the business of it. Where do I find clients? Okay, let's do that and I'll set up a course. It's, you know, 30 bucks for 30 minutes, so we'll talk for an hour. I usually give them the extra 30. What the heck? So, yeah, for 30 bucks, I'll tell you what I need, what, everything, everything. I know it's not a big deal. I'm not out there to you know these people that pay, you know, two, three, four grand for one demo reel. It's like I don't know about you guys, but I don't have several mortgage payments to blow on a demo reel.
Victor:For something that's not even guaranteed right Like you're not guaranteeing me work.
Mike Paine:You're just saying I'm just going to teach you a few things and then send you out. And the guys that come out and say, oh well, if you get my demo reel, you're going to get know a big company, if they promise you that, just run the other direction, because that's not a thing. It's like the broadcasting schools that say you'll be on the air and in a big city in no time. No, you won't. It's not how it works. Forget my story. My story was before the Internet and everything else and that was just a crazy path that actually somehow worked. I say that don't do it, because I did it somehow and naive and whatever it was, but it worked. And you know, my naive naivete got me there and my talent kept me there. I guess.
Rob:You're voice acting, you're on the radio, you have all these, you know clients. You're coaching. What time do you wake up in the morning? What does your day look like?
Mike Paine:What time do I wake up in the morning? Yeah Well, I get my goal on and I drink my coffee. No, honestly, I work the other nine to five, so I get up at 1130 ish in the morning. I mean, it sounds like I'm a slacker, but when you sleep at six, that's not that. You know not that much. So I work with people on the other side of the world, so usually my day is, you know, the other nine to five, and it's a lot easier to deal with people then and I don't have this whole big motivational sayings on my wall in front of me that say go get them. And you know life is about a cup of coffee and your attitude.
Mike Paine:I don't have any of that. I don't need science to tell me how to do my day. I do it myself.
Rob:So, for the scripts coming in, I mean, do you need? Are you running the business yourself? Do you have to get a manager? Do you have to get represented? Like, how does that work? As far as just finding you, how did they find you?
Mike Paine:Well, I have my own website. I have a lot of freelancer sites that I'm on and the customers that I have clients that I've been with for a long time they know me and you know we exchange emails and stuff like that too. So I've been with some people 10, 12 years plus and they just say, hey, mike, they'll come out of the blue. I'll not hear from them in six months and they're like hey, mike, how's it going? Hey, can you do this for me? And I work with people from you know, all over the country and the world and something like. There's a wood flooring place that teaches people all about wood flooring and the genesis of it and how to install it, and it's the biggest wood flooring place in the country. And they won't pop up for another several months, but when they do, they throw me a bunch of scripts and I do all their training videos. So it's one of those cool things that's like. You know that doesn't sound like it sizzles off the screen, but it feels so cool to be able to do something like that. And I just finally got an agent, actually for the first time in my life a month ago, and it's kind of a trial thing, but you don't really need an agent. I haven't gotten any parts or gigs from it yet. We'll see what happens.
Mike Paine:But you know, it's one of those things where you can do it yourself. Now you don't. It's not the old school. You have to be represented by a talent agent and you have to have them do this, and you have to join the union and you have to. Yes, you can and you could do all of those things, but that's not a guarantee and that's not the only route to success.
Mike Paine:A lot of indie people have great success and can make a living for it at living with doing this, and I do it and other people can do it, and there's varying degrees. I mean, you could have this as a side hustle. That's the thing to do. You could have this as a. You know, it started as a side hustle and develop it, and then maybe you'll get better and better at it and get bigger and bigger and you may not need that extra job. You know that kind of thing. So, yeah, there's so many different roads you can take with this, which is the beauty of it. I mean you don't have to go well, you have to go this route and that's the only way you can go. It's not like that anymore.
Victor:What's the most common problem I guess students kind of bring to you?
Mike Paine:Lack of confidence in their own voice and being able to project on the microphone and knowing that voice acting is all acting. Even if it's just church announcements or a voicemail, it's all acting. You're playing a part, so you have to be an actor. It's not just doing imitations and that's kind of doing something from SpongeBob is a voice from SpongeBob is. In a voice acting career you have to be able to have depth, you have to have versatility and know what your strengths and weaknesses are. And if you find your strengths, start with your strengths and then work outward from there and then kind of see where. I mean I did stuff that I don't prefer to do. I mean for me, fiction audiobooks I like do. I don't mind doing them, but I'm much stronger at the nonfiction stuff. That's just my thing. It doesn't mean fiction is bad. I just found out that I did some fiction. It worked out all right, but I'm better at nonfiction.
Victor:And that's like consuming, because you have to do like characters for like different.
Mike Paine:Yeah, I mean, there is one series of audiobooks I did. I had to. I was at 11 or 13 characters. I had to keep straight at all times.
Cesar:Whoa of books. I did. I had to. I was at 11 or 13 characters I had to keep straight at all times.
Mike Paine:Whoa, that's tough. And then then the first person narration on top of that. So you have to go from a three, three-way conversation and keep it all straight and keep it all believable. So what you do is you take a snippet of each individual voice and sometimes they won't come in until, like the, you know, the werewolf is in book one and then doesn't come back until book three and it's like what is a werewolf? I don't how long ago was that so?
Mike Paine:you keep a snippet of werewolf and you just title it werewolf and point of reference and go, oh, all right, so all right. Then you stop and do the werewolf voice. And I say werewolf because I did a weird series of audio books that was kind of like twilight meets 50 shades of gray. It was very unusual it was it was fun.
Mike Paine:It was a different experience. I thought I'd dip my toe in the water for that. It was like mostly twilightish and then all of a sudden it'd get a little racy in spots and it's like I kind of came out of that field but all right, that's the
Chris:same book?
Mike Paine:yeah, ask the narrator yeah, it was the narrator, it was like something to do with the office supplies and yeah. So, yeah, that, yeah, and some of the stuff you don't expect is like, like, one of my biggest selling audio books is how to play cornhole, go figure.
Victor:You're the cornhole.
Cesar:We should have led with that.
Rob:When, when you do like, like deals like that, like audio books, is there royalties with that? Or is it just one on? Yeah, I wasn't sure how they usually do it.
Mike Paine:Yeah, exactly, there's various ways to do that. With ACX, which is a website that handles all the Audible books, you can either do royalty, royalty share plus or paid per hour, and a lot of people shy away from the royalty because you are rolling the dice. I mean, I've done audiobooks that have sold one copy. You got to do a little research and think about I do nonfiction, stuff that sells, that's never going to go bad Workouts, recipe books, how-to books that aren't time sensitive. Like you know how to start up, your windows vista isn't going to sell any copies right now, so you know, it's coming back.
Rob:It's coming. It really was the best windows it's due yeah, so you know.
Mike Paine:Or super niche ones like, uh, which parks are the best in Columbus Ohio? I mean, I think six people might be interested in that. Is that going to sell a lot? For me, no, and it's royalty no, but other stuff yeah. I mean, the how-to stuff is great. And again, these are things that I just tell people. I don't hold these secret information. So, yeah, the answer to that is I like royalty, especially the shorter titles, because you could build up a resume really quickly. And you know, 56 audiobooks sounds good and it is. And the way I did that is, at first I took everything literally going, you know, judging by the some of the weird stuff I voiced. But then you kind of find your lane and go, yeah, these do well and these sell. And then, years later, I mean I still get sales from stuff I've done 10, 12, 13 years ago Sometimes when I'm like preparing for the uh, for an episode right, I'm going through, I'm going through my script.
Cesar:Perfectly fine, yeah, I, we start recording. And I get stuck on some of these words. The other day I couldn't say what was it?
Mike Paine:Uh, emancipation proclamation yeah, do you have any tips? Or like, have you ever get like, do you get stuck on some words as you're reading it? Or like, how do you get through it? The one word I hate the most is community. It always sounds like you're saying me, I get stuck on that one all the time.
Mike Paine:There's certain words that that was the biggie, but there's a couple of words that pop up and you're just going it doesn't't, it doesn't sound natural as a word to begin, like community is a second. So I don't, and that one I always have to stop. I flub that word all the time. I'll be honest, I do. I flub that one. You just kind of got to stop and kind of reset it and go okay, I'm just going to do the sentence again and just kind of, there's sometimes I just just I stop a script, I'll walk away from the computer for a while and come back and drink a water and come back and go all right, now I'm clear, because I'll I'll flub it five times in a row, going all right, this is getting.
Cesar:This is too much, let's just start over again yeah so it's normal, caesar I'm gonna walk away from you guys, or just you need to drink your, you need to eat your cracker and drink your water. I I'm going to start doing that.
Victor:You're over there drinking your protein shake. It is protein shake.
Rob:Yeah, it's not going to help you.
Mike Paine:Protein shake and a pizza and you're over here thinking you're going to get it done or you get the giggles and you just read something that sounds funny and you're like okay. That's like the first time I read that NSFW series and I started reading some of the lines. It was normal and then all of a sudden it's like what? Are you doing with those office supplies? A ruler? No, okay, hold on. I got to all right. I had to kind of clear my head and go all right, let's just do it in a voice.
Victor:I got to take this seriously. Did you ever miss the radio?
Mike Paine:I do miss the in-person thing when it was fun back then and now it's all kind of like pretty much three corporations on almost all the radio stations and radio isn't what it was I mean. Now it's podcasting obviously, so it would be fun to do that. I mean I'm going to have one of my own pretty soon.
Victor:Oh nice. Do you have a name for it, should we be looking out for something.
Mike Paine:It's Rock your Confidence I'm sorry, rock your Voice Confidence from Pain. And it's about teaching self-confidence and finding your inner voice we were talking about a little earlier, and voice acting is probably 75% confidence training and 25% technical. And I have so many people just say, mike, I just want to talk about you know how to talk on the phone to people or how to go to a meeting and talk to someone. It's, there's nothing to do with voice acting. So I thought you know what? I might as well start doing this. I mean, I'm doing it anyway. I might as well just have a podcast about and see what happens.
Victor:Maybe I could help some more people, who knows? Yeah, I see a lot of like. I mean, obviously we don't have the setup for this, but, like I've seen other podcasts, when they're like they're looking for that viral moment. Like share me that story that I can, that you didn't want to tell.
Mike Paine:I got a story for you, a real quick story. Go for it that. I've for you a real quick story, go for it that. I've. Probably only people that know me know this story.
Mike Paine:And uh, I was at the uh heavy metal convention, the concrete foundations forum, in 91, 1990, 1990 and uh, I was interviewing dave mustaine from megadeth and he had all kinds of weird. I was just asking him hey, dave, how's it going? How's tour going? I heard you had did a kind of a pre-tour gig in Fresno and that was one of our affiliates. How did that go? It's like what are you high?
Mike Paine:And he, just out of nowhere, he had all kinds of attitude and I asked him a couple more questions. He had this, this attitude and the guitar player at the time, marty Friedman, I knew him from other bands and I just started talking to Marty and I said, yeah, marty, you know you have a guitar song that Megadeth never had before. So I got I got a little combative with Dave and then it became a big thing and then I heard it. He was he was kind of shit, talking me at different places, like uh, one of one of uh my friends in Kansas city at the uh show they overheard him shit talking to me and it's like, well, I asked him simple questions, I didn't do anything.
Mike Paine:So then it became a thing on the air and I started honestly, probably a bad idea, but he got me a little annoyed so I said oh, I've got a new demo from the vocal demo from Dave Mustaine's new Megadeth album.
Chris:I play a baby crying and you know, this is on national radio and you know you know, I'd have like a baby going.
Mike Paine:Oh, maybe I could interview dave mustaine next week.
Mike Paine:I think here's a preview, you know so and then it finally came to a head when it was the clash of the titans tour. It was uh slayer, megadeth, uh anthrax and alice in chains and we were all hanging out. We're shooting hoops in the back. You know, anthrax great guys, I love them. Uh slayer, everybody was just I didn't know allison changed that well, but uh, mostly anthrax, we're just shooting hoops in the back and dave's all prepared and he's walking past and he's just scowling and and staring at us and gives me a look, and then everyone's like dave, dude, come shoot some hoops, what's up? And he's just like he's, he's better now. I think those were in his days where he was uh heavily influenced by outside sources, let's just say I think so yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard stories.
Mike Paine:I'm sure that was like the norm for a lot of stuff, though yeah, so that was a whole thing and me and dave mustaine and and that it kind of ended there because I left, I let it alone. It's like I'm not going to keep this thing going.
Victor:I understand something. I can't stand about the radio and it's partly the reason why I stopped listening to just like regular radio is morning shows. I don't want to hear people just talking about nonsense every morning, I'd rather just listen to music.
Mike Paine:Oh yeah, the morning, the old morning zoo and the old school. You know the chuckle hut, as I call them. They it's, it's cringy, it's, it's forced bits and you have to. You know they're like let's call the bakery and see if they have donuts. Oh God, please. No, really, they're scripted, those are scripted. No, really they're scripted, those are scripted. Everything's scripted. Now, I mean, a lot of it was scripted too. I couldn't stand that. Just so hacky and contrived and non-genuine.
Mike Paine:It's like a bad audition for a comedy set. You just go oh, that bombed, that didn't work. So yeah, I haven't listened to regular radio in a thousand years. I've had uh serious xms and so for I was one of the first ones to get it and I've listened to it ever since, because I we used to have the theory of in the radio days, in the hard rock metal days, to get in, get out, say what you got to say and get out real fast. It's not, you know, be funny, be fast and get out. And there's some people that love the. In 1979, tom Petty washed his car with a chamois and he used a wax that wasn't turtle wax Like. Why do I care? Can you just play Tom?
Cesar:Petty. For God's sake, I don't care about his car.
Mike Paine:I don't care about what you bought for groceries today, just play the song. And he just wanted. I don't care about what you bought for groceries today, just play the song. And it's just play the song. Yeah. So I never liked that, I always liked the, and there's some stations that do that. On SiriusXM it's like boom, boom song done, great, awesome. Even better if there's less words than that. Hey, here's a cool tune, love it, it's great, sounds good, bam, right into it.
Victor:Mike, thank you so much for joining us. I loved having you on. If someone wants to reach out to you, where can they find you?
Mike Paine:Well, first of all, thanks, guys, I really appreciate it. I love being here, Talk to you guys anytime. If you want to get a hold of me, I'm at Mike Payne. That's P-A-I-N-E coachingcard C-A-R-R-Dco. You can find me on. You can listen to my stuff soundcloudcom slash, Mike dash, Payne dash show YouTube. You can find me at Mike Payne, P-A-I-N-E 6287. And if you Google search or YouTube search Crazy Mike Payne, Z-Rock you'll be able to hear a lot of my old wild interviews that have been remastered and I remastered and it's been posted. So, yeah, you can hear some of those, some of the weirdness that I did back then.
Mike Paine:And the podcast man and the podcast I'll be on motivatingradiocom and my podcast is coming soon, so be on the lookout for that. I will be everywhere, even more everywhere than I am now.
Victor:Well, if you need four guys to talk about insecurities, I got you, I got you, definitely.
Rob:Yeah that I need to hear you want four.
Chris:That I need to hear.
Mike Paine:But thanks guys, this is great, this is awesome.
Victor:Thank you Thanks a lot. All right guys. Final thoughts.
Chris:Chris, that was really cool. That was a pretty good interview. There's some stuff that he's mentioned about the field or that industry with the voice acting there was I have no idea like I have no idea what that. You know anything about that field, so it was pretty interesting to hear what he had to say about it and then all the ins and outs about in in that industry. So, yeah, I had a great time yeah, I had a great time, cesar.
Victor:I had a great time and I didn't know about, did everyone have a great time here I had a great time as well.
Cesar:I'm messing around Chris. No, I really wanted to talk to him about Because I'm thinking about potentially doing a little side voice acting and I wanted to get some tips and strategies. I think the biggest takeaway that I got from this was when he mentioned it's 75% confidence and that I got to work on.
Cesar:25% might be technical, which anyone can get, but that 75% confidence thing it's big and I think that's one of the biggest key takeaways I'm going to take away from this. Other than that, like the crackers, that's a good little tidbit to know Crackers and juice or crackers and water. But yeah and Rob.
Rob:Reading about Mike and you can tell he's a professional comes in, obviously, the confidence, but it's the energy, Things that I feel like are taught, but he just does them better. It's funny to hear, though, stories about like he still struggles on certain words or he goes through the same types of things that we got to go through and continue to go through, and we ran into a lot when we first started, but just got to jump right in, Like you said. You know there are, there is coaching, there is ways to perfect your craft, obviously, but yeah, it was great to have him on, you know, talked about radio, talked about his, his, how he got into it and how he started. I mean it just seems like that is a right place, right time for the time type of deal and I mean, as a 19 year old kid going through all that, it's pretty awesome we want to thank you for listening, but wait before you go.
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Mike Paine:Cranking it up on Xerox looking for trouble.
